Tuesday, November 28, 2006

Negotiation (non-trading)

The best negotiation games that are not trading games...
Also nominated:
For comparison, the top five games from 2002:
You may well wonder why Traders of Genoa shows up on the Negotiation (trading) list (to be published tomorrow) in 2006 - but not in 2002. Frankly, I'm not sure. :-)



Blogger mark aka pastor guy said...

These six games were way out in front of any of the other nominees, voting-wise.

I was sad to see Europa 1945-2030 get shuffled to the side - it's a very different kind of negotiation game that I rather enjoy playing.

Of course, I'm not a negotiation fan - Cosmic leaves me cold, Diplomacy takes too darn long to play, I'm The Boss has soured as I've played it more, and Santiago was just OK in my one playing. OTOH, while I hated my first playing of Rette sich wer kann, I've since fallen in love with it's oddball charms.

And there will always be a soft spot in my heart for Junta, which plays like Diplomacy crossed with the wonderful Falk/Arkin film, "The In-Laws".

10:23 AM  
Blogger Chris Farrell said...

I've only played Cosmic Encounter once (the new AH version), but it was a negotiation game only in the sense that we spent 45 minutes negotiating over how exactly the special powers were supposed to work (it turned out that two players had been dealt fundamentally contradictory special powers, Macro and Virus I think, that simply could not be reconciled ... it would have been nice if they had mentioned that somewhere. The game had only been around for what, 20 years?). It was such a hideous experience, I've never had the faintest desire to try again.

I'm a little surprised to see the classic Quo Vadis not make it. Of all the games nominated, only Diplomacy is better at creating interesting deal-making situations. Games like RSWK can be fun, but a lot of the choices about who to help/hose end up seeming fundamentally just about personal dynamics (I can see that being fun for some, but it's just not my thing), while Quo Vadis gives you enough actual game to make substantive and interesting deals.

Personally, I only voted for Quo Vadis, Intrige, and Diplomacy.

10:50 AM  
Blogger Chris Farrell said...

I should mention that in this category I also nominated Republic of Rome, Dune, and Kremlin. Sad to see them miss the list while the neat and well-themed but excruciatingly long Junta shows up :)

10:55 AM  
Blogger huzonfirst said...

Overall, I'm pretty pleased with this vote. You'd think a classic like Diplomacy would be a lock, but it turns off a lot of modern gamers, so I was happy to see my #1 pick get chosen. Similarly, it was good to see an older title like Intrige (the nastiest game ever) make it, as well as a newer one like Santiago. And while I'm the Boss can be fragile, it's usually great fun and is one of the great six-players around. My other final pick was A Game of Thrones, which I think is a wonderfully designed Diplomacy spinoff.

Chris, my last Cosmic game was exactly like yours, which may mean it truly will be my *last* Cosmic game. And Rette always seemed pretty arbitrary to me; some laughs, but not enough game.

My other two nominated games were Quo Vadis and Princes of the Renaissance. The former is an excellent deal-maker that scores with its speed of play, but I just don't think it makes too many appearances on most gamers' tables.

7:08 PM  

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